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I may not be able to argue with Christopher Tolkien, but I have to say I agree far more with this article about The Hobbit--especially since my recent curiosity about Tolkien's languages has led to another attempt to read The Silmarillion.*

I'll add, though, that one of the best things about the movies is the pure JOY with which they take you on a tour of Middle-Earth. I suppose Radagast the Brown could have been edited out, Saruman needn't really have made an appearance, the plate-juggling didn't have to be there, and the Stone Giants were over the top. But before you dismiss them as useless nods to bookish Tolkien nerds, I want you to remember James Cameron's Avatar.

My response to Avatar could best be described as an intense, burning indifference. Before it came out the producers made much of the fact that it was a carefully constructed other world, with its own ecosystem and language and culture. And yet, when you saw the movie, you realized that the glowing world of Pandora lacked personality. Three hours went by and at the end of it I somehow cared less about everyone involved. I was vaguely familiar with maybe two Na'vi (Neytiri and Tsu'tey), but I couldn't conceive of what Neytiri did when she WASN'T shepherding Jake The Dumbass around. I didn't know whether there were favorite swimming holes. I didn't know who made Neytiri's formal necklace. I didn't find out what other villagers did with their time. I didn't even know any other Na'vi names, in a movie that was purportedly meant to showcase their world.** Nobody told off-color jokes that didn't translate, nobody had a favorite fruit, nobody played an instrument, nobody secretly saved Grace's giant copy of The Lorax because it was fascinatingly alien. They were just a mass of Na'vi.***

And they hardly dwell on the world. The great wonders are passed by in favor of dragging the dull plot along. "Oh, yeah, we've got hammerheaded peacock rhinoceroses. Meh. Let's have another heavy-handed argument with the speciesist CEO!"

Now remember the delight with which Radagast shows off his rabbits, or Bilbo sits down to a nice little bathrobe dinner, or the weird little minion of the Goblin King goes zip-stringing off the scaffolding. The movie is really proud of itself and completely in love with its source material, and it wants you to share that joy. And that doesn't just mean sweeping panoramas, but also the minute details. And since even Peter Jackson can't cram every wonderful thing into a movie, the details that do show up have to suggest that this world is going on even when you aren't looking at it. The Hobbit does that. Avatar not so much.

That, I think, is what a lot of people are missing. And yet it's the delight of stories (hell, that's the whole point of our own Torn World--to showcase both a big world AND the wonderful little people living day-to-day in it). So if you ever feel tempted to gripe about those Stone Giants, just remember that they'd have improved the hell out of Avatar.


*I tried to read it in high school, but quickly discovered that Tolkiens Sr. and Jr. have all the abilities of a history textbook writer and more when it comes to making totally goddamn badass tales staggeringly boring. If my brain goes numb while reading about a battle with a giant spider, you need to spiff up your storytelling.

**There's a moment in the film when Jake has had his vision quest or something--not actually shown--and has Become One Of The Tribe, when Neytiri points out that he can now "choose a woman." She then lists a couple of women in the tribe--Jane is the best singer, Sharon sure knows how to kill the everloving shit out of a deer--while obviously hoping Jake will pick her. What was supposed to be a cute, romantic moment in the film was completely lost on me while I grappled with the idea that Jake even KNEW any other women in the tribe. BECAUSE I SURE DIDN'T.

***Na'vi language creator Paul Frommer seems to be battling this anonymity single-handedly, or at least few-handedly with the help of a small but dedicated squad of hardcore Na'vi learners. His blog is a lot more fun than the movie, and the sample sentences tell you a lot more about Na'vi life, as well!

Date: 2013-01-07 06:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadesofmauve
I haven't seen it yet, but since over-long battle scenes have been my gripe with most of the movies I've seen lately, I wouldn't be surprised if I feel the same. Is it a sign that everyone's been loving padding out their movies with giant battles lately, or is it that approaching 'maturity' thing? I wonder...

Date: 2013-01-07 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormteller.livejournal.com
I think, in Jackson's case, it's just what he knows best. Battle and mayhem is his forte. I actually wasn't bothered by the Goblin Town battle, which was about the same as in the book (that is, a prolonged and chaotic retreat), and only took a few minutes. The emphasis of that section was on the interaction with Gollum, as it should have been. Actually, my main problem with that scene was that Orcrist and Glamdring didn't glow.

I'm still worried about the battle scenes in the sequels, though. If I know Jackson, the fight against Smaug will be drawn out into a 20+ minute battle featuring multiple characters, rather than the anticlimax it was in the book, and the Battle of the Five Armies will probably take up about 60 percent of the third film, interspersed with the fight of the Wizards against Sauron (and I have no idea what that will entail. I suspect Tolkien never did either, which is why he was vague about it).

Date: 2013-01-09 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwalla.livejournal.com
Actually, my main problem with that scene was that Orcrist and Glamdring didn't glow
Yes! That bugged me too, since Gandalf explicitly pointed out that they would glow in the presence of orcs or goblins, and especially since they used Sting's glowing to such good effect in Gollum's cave scene.
Edited Date: 2013-01-09 05:28 pm (UTC)

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