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Fred Clark has made this point before, but it bears repeating: Witch Hunts are Dangerous; Witches are Not.

I have enough trouble with historical fiction when it tries to be true to what happened, because my rather literal brain can't get over the fact that no matter how much research you do, there's no getting around that it didn't really happen that way. I suspect that's why I like speculative fiction so much. You don't have to believe it. It's right there in the name, like, twice. Speculative. Fiction. "Historical fiction," regardless of what they're trying for, is an oxymoron to me.

But I admit, some examples are worse than others. Like, for example, if you try to tell me that a victim of a historical atrocity had it coming. I don't know if that's what the show Salem will do, but it's pretty much what the trailer for it does, and that's just ... yeah, not great for me. It doesn't take that much to file the serial numbers off!

Plus, the actual Salem Witch Trials are interesting enough without adding bullshit to them. I was bugged enough with Arthur Miller's artistic liberties in The Crucible. The bizarreness of it was enough without adding the scandalous sexy affair, dangit! That was just stupid.

Although the timing of reading The Crucible was interesting, though. I was in high school and it was 2002. We were discussing how Arthur Miller was using the witch trials to parallel his own era's McCarthyism and Red Scare. The teacher asked if we could think of any other instances of such hysteria, and I cheerfully piped up, "The War on Terror!"--And my classmates just about jumped on me. "That's different!" "There REALLY ARE terrorists!" "How would THAT be like a witch hunt?" It was ... telling. And it illustrates the same thing Fred Clark is saying: witch hunts aren't all in the past. People just don't always recognize them until they are past.


EDIT: I seem to have picked up a troll. There's a delicious irony in there somewhere, but I can't be bothered, so don't worry y'all, I'm taking care of it.
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Date: 2014-04-14 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
Okay, yeah, that's just bullshit. You're welcome to keep thinking it, but please quit trying to convince me. It's not working.
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Date: 2014-04-15 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kuchenhexe.livejournal.com
There's a tree somewhere that you owe an apology to for the careless waste of the oxygen it produced.
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Date: 2014-04-15 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kuchenhexe.livejournal.com
Yes, I've heard of that village and its idiot. Fortunately, I know it's not me. So tell me, what IS it like to be a such a paranoid little ball of bigoted hatred? Were you born that way or were you turned bigot by watching too much FOX News? Is it painful to be that bigoted, or is it more of a vague buzzing sensation? I can't fathom how you function with such a tiny mind.
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Date: 2014-04-15 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuuo.livejournal.com
It's preaching hate to tolerate all the world's religions?
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Date: 2014-04-15 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuuo.livejournal.com
In extremist areas, yes. Same with the Jewish faith. Same with Christianity. I seem to recall the Crusades....
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Date: 2014-04-15 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuuo.livejournal.com
1) It is not, you are an Islamphobic conspiracy theorist who is a bigoted asshole. This will be my last reply to you.

2) The Islam faith, as with the Chrsitian faith, is based back originally on Jewish faith and its early holiness code rules. All three are Abrahamic faiths. All three are guilty of some awful atrocities in the name of their god, be he Jesus, Elohim, or Allah.

3) Any Muslim, (you can't spell, by the way) that behaves the way you claim is not by true definition a Muslim.

4) Everyone was provoking everyone in the Crusades (also, depends on which one, there were several) because all three major monotheistic faiths were fighting over the same stupid city because it was holy land to them. Thus proving that monotheism and organized religions are stupid and full of the same sort of hatred you seem to be full of.

I'd say I hate you and your kind, but I'm too busy pitying your tiny world view.

Date: 2014-04-15 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
Good GRIEF, dude. I asked you to stop and THIS mess is what I come back to. Good bye.

Date: 2014-04-15 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixel39.livejournal.com
Now that you've deleted all the troll posts it's like listening to one side of a very animated telephone conversation. Or possibly a Bob Newhart routine.

Date: 2014-04-15 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
I don't ... THINK I deleted them. I did ban further comments, but I'm not sure if LJ applies bans retroactively, and his comments on other posts stayed. I think it's possible HE deleted them? I dunno, but it does make for a confusing half-conversation.

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