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You know, before Twilight came out, I have to admit I never appreciated the sheer creativity with which the Harry Potter fandom’s batshit is imbued.

I mean, Twilight fans are batshit, but it’s a sort of vanilla batshit, the kind where you just insert yourself into the protagonist’s place and relive the story replete with fantasies of nice sparkly missionary position sex, or sit around insisting that your fandom is the BESTEST fandom.* If you’re really creative, you lust after the werewolf instead, but mostly the batshit is a matter of intensity.

There doesn’t seem to be nearly as much in the way of fans astrally married to the villainous sidekick vampire who sometimes manifests himself through the fan’s pet hamster to inform the fan that the original author is out to eat all their sweets and steal their paperclips. You just get varying levels of “MINE MINE CHARACTER ALL MINE” and “THIS IS THE ONLIEST BOOK.”**

Which strikes me as doubly funny since Twilight itself spirals from a self-insert Mary Sue self-indulgence to full-on psychodramatic crackfic.

I dunno, maybe there’s an Inverse Law of Crackiness, or maybe it’s just that Twilight appeals to a particular group of people without much interest in changing things up. Either way, though, I want to go back and salute the Potterfans. You guys still win, no question.


*I remain with the theory that many Twilight fans have an unnervingly narrow breadth of knowledge. [livejournal.com profile] cleolinda’s posse once suggested that Twilight fans, unlike other rabid fans, do not launch from their fandom into other fandoms, which explains their whole Stephen King fiasco.

**Although that can be pretty entertaining, I must admit.

The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-20 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackbyrd2.livejournal.com
Read the linkage. That's pretty damned entertaining, but it would be more fun if it were an adult.
12 yr olds. Go figure.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-20 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
Adult Twihards are too busy trying to tear off their own panties at cons so the actors can sign them.

And no, this is not hyperbole. The lady's poor 14-year-old daughter had one of the most embarassing parents I've heard of.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-20 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackbyrd2.livejournal.com
That's just sad.

Yanno, I think I was about 12 when I first read that compendium of Greek Mythology tales. (Bullfinch's?) And I was reading Andre Norton by then, too. Isaac Asimov, Heinlein, Clark... I'd seen Frankenstein, The Wolfman, The Mummy, and who knows how many 50's B movies with mutants, giant ants, grasshoppers, crabs, spiders and whatever else.

One has to wonder how someone can be so sheltered in today's world, especially with Teh Intarwehbs available to fill that void between their ears.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-20 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
*grin* My favorite is still the Stephen King fiasco. He made a flippant comment about how JK Rowling and Stephenie Meyer both fill important gaps in kids' reading, but the difference is that Rowling can actually write.

He got deluged with comments by Twilight fans saying he's just jealous of Meyer, that he's sexist, and that why doesn't HE write a bestseller that gets made into a hit movie if he thinks he's so great.

That's when we started to wonder about them ...

When I was 12 I was reading Ray Bradbury, David Eddings, Arthur Conan Doyle, Jules Verne, and knew all sorts of myths and legends. I stayed away from B-movies for a while longer because I was still able to internalize the IDEAS and scare myself, but at least I knew they EXISTED.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-20 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackbyrd2.livejournal.com
Oh my...
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to be a fly on the wall when the light finally dawns? Hee.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-22 05:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadesofmauve
I'm glad you explained, because I hadn't heard of the Stephen King Fiasco. Oh. Dear.

I still have that problem with horror movies. Over-active imagination, over-internalization of movies is one of the reasons my video-fare is usually kind of light.

And at 12...Tolkien, Douglas Adams, McCaffery's dragons, Conan Doyle, Terry Brooks, all that. How can these people be so genre-ignorant?

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-22 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dornbeast.livejournal.com
After removing Twilight-related material from Amazon's "also bought" list for Twilight, what's left is mostly young adult fiction. If this is any indicator, Twilight's audience isn't in the horror or fantasy/SF genre.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
I read an interesting theory on that a while back saying, esentially, that Twilight fans are not fantasy fans, because Twifans and fantasy fans have different standards. Twilight's fantasy isn't cohesive and doesn't stand up to close scrutiny; fantasy fans like cohesion.

Although your addition that they buy a lot of non-genre YA does explain quite a bit.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dornbeast.livejournal.com
It isn't just that they're buying non-genre YA fiction. It's an indicator of what Twilight really is.

Most "also bought" lists on Amazon show relation by author or genre. If I use the "also bought" list to classify Twilight's genre by eliminating books by the same author and books on the order of Everything I Ever Needed To Know I Learned By Reading Twilight, it's probably YA fiction, rather than fantasy or horror.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
Exactly! It doesn't really seem to be the same thing as spec fic, for all it has spec fic elements, because she doesn't actually, y'know, SPECULATE on them. Twilight is just teen fiction with, literally, a few sparkles tossed on top.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ornithoptercat.livejournal.com
I hadn't seen the movies - it was back before the scifi channel was readily available, let alone my being allowed to watch the TV late at night when that stuff was on. But I had gone through my local library's entire SF/Fantasy "section" at least trying most of the authors. Tolkein and McCaffrey definitely on the list.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-20 03:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beccastareyes
Same here. Not to mention B-movie parodies (and famous movie parodies) in children's shows. It got so I knew a lot of classics by cultural osmosis, rather than reading or watching them myself, and only later realized it.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
Exactly! It's also why spoilers have their own expiration date--after a while it becomes common knowledge.

OR SO WE ALL THOUGHT.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ornithoptercat.livejournal.com
Yeah, exactly. I love you, Sesame Street.

Seriously, werewolves go back, uh... forever? Complete with silver vulnerability. You can't rip off a basic werewolf.

Re: The Onliest Book! Buahaha!

Date: 2010-02-23 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackbyrd2.livejournal.com
Yep. Stole it from the Girl Genius LJ. There's a ton of good icons there, and they change regularly. Kaja makes a bunch up and offers them free for use, and then there's readers who make up icons as well. I actually only have the one (I think?) but there's a lot of great expressions available.
I think this one is from one of the posters.

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